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    My girlfriend says it doesn't, but the reaction to the quality of the Running Like Mad video says "perhaps."

    I'm thinking of re-encoding all the videos on my site. Currently they're all over the place... MPEG's, MOV's, Rm's, WMV's, all sorts 'o' sh?te...

    So what's the preferred formats/filesizes/resolutions? any suggested compressors? Ill probably be doing it in iMovie 3 so you might want to bear that in mind...

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    It's what you do with the film that counts.

    Isn't it the norm now to offer a choice of what size file you can download? A small poor quality file which can be downloaded quickly and a high quality file.

    Plus you could offer different formats like one WMV and one Quicktime of the same film.

    I must say that the video/sound quality of running like mad did spoil it a little, so it's probably good that you're considering changing the files.

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    quicktime will by far give you the best results. If you use the right codec and settings you can get good footage at very small sizes, and the good thing is that quicktime isnt prone to crashing or being "gay" like realplayer and other formats.

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    Okay, I just encoded a guff load of files at this resolution, so I hope you guys can play 'em.

    Here's a clip from the all but abandoned Killer Sandwich. Ignore the clip itself, it's cr?p. No sound FX/gun flashes, original audio still on there, temp score, a couple of shots missing. But is the general quality of the video itself good?

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    If you want the biggest audience for your films and not force them to install any codecs/players then go for MPEG-1.

    Stay away from Real. Bad quality and wrong colors - only good for multiplatform streaming (players exist even for Irix).

    Quicktime is not *that* good either. A lot of people look at the movie trailers on the Quicktime site and thinks "Gosh, that's amazing" without realizing that they waste around 50MB for a two-minute trailer that doesn't even play full-screen. Latest versions only run on Mac and PC (requiring people to download the player which itself comes to a couple of Megabytes).

    If you are after utmost quality and wide availability and accept the download of a (small) codec /player then go for DiVX 5 or Xvid. Overall winner in most codec quality tests (closely followed by Windows Media 9) and deliver phenonemal quality at exceptionally small sizes. You need to play around with the settings, though.

    From my experience people are usually put off if they cannot play/view a file immediately. I used DivX in the beginning but switched to MPEG-1 after a lot of folks complained that they cannot watch the files and they couldn't install the codec/player on their office (!) machine.

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    Latest versions only run on Mac and PC (requiring people to download the player which itself comes to a couple of Megabytes).
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh gosh!! People have to download a whole Megabyte or two, eek thats alot... the fact a quicktime video will be half the size of mpeg1 saving download time is of course irrelivent [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

    as for the DivX stuff... yes it by far gives the best results but the format is not wide enough known yet to make it worthwhile... for every person you get having to download quicktime to watch a movie you will need 4 having to download divx... at least... and its a ***** to encode...you need to really sit down and learn about codecs and compression settings to get good results, which is a waste of time that could be spent writing your next movie.

    At the end of the day i think you cant please everyone and you have to say fukc you to lazy people who wont download a tiny quicktime program to watch not only your movie but countless others on the net... you cant make allowences for those people...

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    But that clip is okay? Watchable? No additional codecs needed?

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    Originally posted by Untamed Aggression:
    But that clip is okay? Watchable? No additional codecs needed?
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">plays okay on my Mac, took about 90secs to d/l

    BUT ...

    fullscreen looks awful, looks about 10fps and not enough bandwidth allocated to sound. enough to spoil my viewing pleasure.

    you should aim for at least 12fps IMO, and make sure it sounds better than it looks (good sound can carry poor visuals) - quite what that translates to in bandwidth depends on the codec in use.

    MPEG1 is a good choice for those with the bandwidth to d/l the bigger files. MPEG4 is pretty good too. They will both suffer from compression artefacts but IMO are more watchable than the oversoftened codecs.

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    Oh gosh!! People have to download a whole Megabyte or two, eek thats alot... the fact a quicktime video will be half the size of mpeg1 saving download time is of course irrelivent [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The download is not so much the problem as the installation. A lot of people watch stuff on their office PCs and they are either not allowed or (usually) not able (due to restricted user privileges) to install additional software. Hence my decision to go with MPEG-1.

    As for the size - I am using TMPEGEnc for encoding and am pleasantly surprised by the results. The filesize is on par with Quicktime and the quality only slightly worse.

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    Originally posted by assyrix:
    A lot of people watch stuff on their office PCs and they are either not allowed or (usually) not able (due to restricted user privileges) to install additional software.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">THAT'S 'COS YOU'RE MEANT TO BE WORKING, SLACKERS!

    I'll just get back to my college work now... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    I'm still f?nnying around with Quicktime... TMPEG won't work properly for me... ah well

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